rahim101

My understanding is that the PH drops due to waste produce by the fish while they are in the bags. Once the PH gets somewhere below 7 I believe that it gradually enters a bound state where it is not harmful. Once water is added to the existing water (you adding tank water in your home to the bag) the PH goes back up. As the PH increases the ammonia levels increase as it unbinds and becomes toxic again. This is especially dangerous if it happens rather quickly.

Hence, just float fish without opening the bags to adjust temp and then pour them out of the bags into a net and then into a quaratine tank.

Also, why would you want to take many hours using a drip method to take fish from a low ph enviroment that they have not been in for a long time, nor thrive in, to bring the PH back to what they were (should have been) a day before (assuming overnight shipping)?

The reasoning behind the above posted methode as quoted from a post in cichlid-forum.com

Helpful Hints For Unpacking Your Fish Order:

Float bags until temperature is equal in the bag and the tank. Do Not Trickle Water Into The Bag! This will change the Ph and cause the nitrate and or ammonia levels to rise and become toxic to the fish, possibly poisoning them right in the bag!

Open the bag and pour fish through a net and then place them in the clean tank. Do not put the packing water into the clean tank, discard the packing water.

Shipped fish are stressed and weak, do not put win an established tank with larger and or more aggressive tank mates

Quote can be found at:

http://www.cichlidlovers.com/shipping.htm

This is the methode I have been using for years and have never had a loss!!!!!

Maybe they are not getting enogh food and are acting on thier natural instinct as dunl stated!!!!

I think with teh addition of Kyle's male, I' keep all the female babies and breed them as a group as the genes of the males and females would be completly different!!!

Could it be a protomelas sp.chilumba jetty????

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1362

http://www.malawimayhem.com/profile_show.php?id=556

The colors look right but the barring on the femalse doesn't

Please post pics as well!!!!

No pics and I don't know how much I paid, I bought them like 2 years ago and they are still running strong!!!

Theya re pretty bright, but I really like the colors

I use power glo on all my tanks and am very pleased.

I am moving this thread to the "African Cichlids" section so that it get the attention that is deserves!!!

Female pics:

Red fin:

http://www.malawimayhem.com/profile_show.php?id=60

Pics of a protmelas sp.

http://www.malawimayhem.com/profile_show.php?id=282

I curently have 3 tanks all lake tanganyika species.

Yes there is a point to building vast network of caves as this is where you will the true behavior of you new fish.

I'm not sure if you have kept any tangs before, but all have very unique personalities and character traits that you will soon see.

For example...the julies have a very cool way of swimming upside down when they are in their caves as well as they breed this way!!!!!

I am moving this thread out of the Buy / Sell section and into the "African cichlids" section so that others can comment on it!!!!!

If removed, the move would be permanent.

I'll give you an example.

I 60 gallon long tank (4' long X 18 wide) that I had 6 N. buescheri in. In an 60 gallon tank, I now have a mated pair and a lone females that is allowed to live in the upper most corner of the tank.

In the case of pulchers, you are looking at a VERY similar case, where only one male will dominate the tank and have one favorite female and MAYBE allow a second one to reside in the tank.

Harrold makes a very good point. Be prepared to remove the "extra" fish from the tank as once paired off, both the pulchers and julies will want the others of the same species removed. That is probably a few months away though!!!!

Kyle may be able to give a better id on these guys but th to a protomelas sp.

I will PM the link to the thread to Kyle for further ID !!!!!

I would not recommend any more rock dweller in a tank that size as both the julies and pulcher are rock dwellers!!!!

Cyps...even the nnn-jumbo varieties really need a 4 foot tank to be happy.

In a 33 gallon tank you could go with a trio of Calvus / comps as well as either a julie species or a smaller neo-lamp speies, so the 2-3 leleupi would work and you could get about 5 S. petricola in there which would make for a really nice tank. Now if you had a 4 foot 48 gallon tank or so you could also add 8-10 cyps leptosoma (not jumbo).

Heres a link to Cichlid-forum cookie cutter set-ups:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/quic...erence_list.php

I hope that helps a little

What are you looking for???

Give Golds a try, I was in thier the other day they have some intersting stuff as always.

If you gave some more details as to the kind of set up you are putting them in, I could give you a few suggestions as what's kicking around town!!!!!

I agree...from what I have heard, James is usually really good about his fish and thier quality. Never hurts to ask !!!!!

what's the link to site???

IF I'm not mistaken, Pisces get thier tanks from Mitch over at interamerican (bow valley services).

Other wise, I'm not sure

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=876

Pseudotropheus sp. "Elongatus Mpanga" Flametail

What did a project stand like that cost????

Harrold:

Did the young ones have red fins OR gold fins????

Nice stand...

I see no evidence of filters....what are you using??

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1789

Or these???

Oh..by the way..congrats on the new arrivals