williewonka

Hints for selling something faster:

- Be fair with your asking price (if you are unsure, search the Archives or PM an Admin/Mod)

I can understand your wish to be able to ask whatever price you want for your fish. That's the nature of capitalism. This however is a community forum of hobbyists and I think there needs to be some ethical oversight when allowing members to sell their goods here. If you've paid a certain amount for a fish or breeding group, have made money from posessing them and selling their offspring, is it ethical to ask for a higher value than what you paid for those fish? Should the next owner pay you for the potential profit they might receive from owning these fish with no guarantee that they will get a return on their investment?

If you're going to make additions to the buy/sell rules, you should add a section on ethical principles. We're hobbyists, not commercial resellers. The point of this forum is to encourage people to be active in the hobby and to propagate different species kept in captivity. Allowing people to ask exorbitant amounts for fish will only lead to scarcity of those species as the higher prices will deter buyers from purchasing them and continuing their propagation. Stores treat these fish as commodities, I don't think we should be doing the same.

All that being said, if we are a community, are we all to remain silent and let one unsuspecting member of this community purchase items on this site for prices that seem too high? Perhaps all posts in the buy/sell section should have to be reviewed by an admin/moderator before they are published in the forum. This is of course, more work for the admins but it gives them a chance to perform an ethical review as well as a chance to request an edit of location details & price before the posts go public. This woud alleviate issues of public commentary/post-whoring/hijacking. The rest of the buy/sell process could be handled completely through the private message system.

At least the full quote.... and the really important part is the ""HINTS FOR SELLING SOMETHING FASTER""....It's a hint... not a rule.

If I believe in my mind that my pair of convicts is worth $200 bucks.. that's my choice. just as it's your choice to think i'm an idiot... just don't bother telling me. Each and every post has a report button and if a person honestly believes that a rule is being broken... all they have to do is click the button.

On the flip side of the coin... If I decide that I want to get out of the hobby and give away my fish or sell them at give away prices ... should anyone that gets them from me be forced to sell them at the price they acquired them for... I think not. I got my adult piranha included with the tank I bought (so basically free) and from the offspring have made close to $300. So, are these fish worth the original price... nothing ... or priceless as they are a money machine???? To my way of thinking, they are worth exactly what I feel they are worth to me. If they don't sell for the price I ask, then I have the choice of dropping the price or keeping them.

I've bought breeding groups and had them never breed for me. That's a risk I took buying as sometimes you can't copy optimum conditions. I don't blame the seller.

That said... the mods and admin might have the right or obligation to force someone to follow the site rules... But, NO ONE has the right to decide what the asking price of an individual item should be. That's the choice of the seller. The choice of the buyer or potential buyer is to either not buy ...ie. close the thread , buy or if really interested and feel the price is too high to pm with a lower offer.

"Buyer Rules:

•No posts questioning the value of a person's for sale post will be tolerated. If you do not want to buy it, close the thread and keep your comments to yourself. Violators will be suspended. All offers should be handled through the boards PM system.

•Do not make an offer on any item unless you intend to follow through with the sale.

•Do not post if not interested in the sale. Needless remarks such as, "Wow, good deal", "Somebody should really jump on this", "Good luck with the sale", are non-profitable deal for any seller and would be considered as postwhoring in the Classifieds.

All rules not followed may result in a warning from administration and buy/sell privileges may be revoked."

This is a quote taken from the rules for Piranha Fury.

Although they are all good, the one I'm suggesting most is the first one. I've noticed a lot of posts where the asking price of a product was questioned in a post ( some in not a very polite manner). If someone thinks his xbox or nintendo wii is worth twice what he paid for it... great... if you don't agree... don't buy it. If someone thinks his breeding pair of fish is worth more what you do... don't buy it. We have Mods here to gently remind people if they are way out in left field concerning something.

I've seen lots of things posted on here that I thought were totally overpriced. By the speed with which some of them sold, I was obviously proved wrong.

On a different although similar note... In response to your Buy and sell Reminder... Nick, I realize it must be a pain to have to read through all of the posts to see if they should be archived or not. Why not just make it a rule that you have to put SOLD in the title of the thread and then repost it. That way you would only have to read the ones that you really want to.

Fred

Thanks for the verification. I'm assuming since mine are bigger than yours were and they all look the same (to me anyway), that I have males. That's okay though, they are still great looking fish, and maybe they will stay as a peaceful group this way.

Fred

Thanks for the explanation and the pics.

Fred

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Just go there and download imageresizer.exe . works great.

Scary story.

Anyone with small kids... should consider screwing dressers to walls (fishtanks on them or not) as kid's have been known to try climbing up and have ended up pulling the dresser over on top of themselves.

How the little one's doing now?

Babies are doing great.. thanks for asking.. They are swimming around all over the tank now. It looks like there's less... but hard to say for sure as they are spread out a lot more.

I'll try to get some more pics when they are a little bigger and show up better.

Fred

:welcome:

Glad you got everything worked out okay.

Just curious which fish store it was and what they were asking for it. Pm me if you don't want to post it in the forum.

Thanks for all the comments.

IMPRESSIVE! Love the colour of the male!

BTW the school loves the little ones. They are becoming more active and less skittish!

Js

I'm glad that they are enjoying them. If you think that the male polit would get along with the group and that they might want to add him to the tank, just let me know and they can have him.

Very nice fish, how large a tank do they need when full grown?

Not really sure what they SHOULD have, but right now the pair are in a 45 gal. and they seem happy enough. I'm thinking of moving them into a 120 gal. but , haven't really decided for sure yet. Bigger decision right now is where to put the fry to grow out if the majority of them manage to live.

Fred

Some pics of the Green Terror pair that Fatpuffer arranged the trade for ( thanks Jonah) and the babies they hatched out. Not the greatest pictures but will give an idea of the great coloration of the parents and the large batch of babies that they produced.

Thanks Fred

Great... They're looking a lot bigger. You should be safe till next week at least, until they lay again.

Looking good!!!!!!

Looks like they finally got it all figured out.

Hopefully this time they manage to pull it off for you :thumbs:

No... but if I look really close, I think I can see Nemo. or is it Waldo? Not sure... but I do see him blowing a smoke ring.

I want some loaches but we can't them the size we need for our tank!!! Plus they seem to be quite pricey But we want them for a clean-up crew for american cichlid tank!!!! Any Idea's where I can find some that are affordable and no smaller than 3-4"?

where are you located and how many are you looking for? I have half a dozen or so around 5 or 6 inches and I have been thinking of thinning them out.

:welcome:

If you have one on the tap, just wrap it with a rag, and try turning it off with a pliers.

:welcome:

welcome , Corey. Good to see you made it okay.

I would..

change the water twice a week

feed twice a day

and give them lots of cover

nice pictures....

You get your chores done???

I'm no expert, but when I had 3 full grown oscars years ago, I had plecos in with them. That's the only fish that I tried putting in the tank other than the odd feeder. I'm thinking that as long as the fish is big enough to not be considered food and not aggressive then it should be okay, but, I guess that would depend on how aggressive his oscar is. The pet store at the time told me that I could put small plecos in there and the fish wouldn't eat them because of the spines, but someone forgot to tell my oscars.

nice pics... your getting way better... :thumbs:

Convicts are pretty cheap. I don't think it will work out long term, but if it doesn't , just consider them a little more expensive feeder. I have about twenty of them in with 3 oscars right now, and they are getting along, but the oscars are only around 3-4 inches and the convicts are about half that. I expect the convicts will be food eventually.

pm'd