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I usually just fast the fish for a few days before switching them over.

In that case, welcome for the first time....glad you found us.

If you insist, I'm thinking many people might not mind you doing that. :smokey:

Welcome Michelle....were you on here previously under a different name?

Kill the lights for a day or two. That should do it.

Excellent, all good to know. They're something I hadn't seen since last time I was around, so I thought I'd drop a line in here and figured someone would be in the know about them.

Thanks for sharing that.

And I'm not an angelfish fan, but I thought I'd throw this up here for discussion: http://reddeer.kijiji.ca/c-pets-other-Rare-Philipine-Blue-Angelfish-W0QQAdIdZ249046018 Anyone seen these before?

Thanks for looking that up. There's some excellent material in there. It would be nice to see something regarding the fat content and its effect on liver function and liver health, but this is great. Maybe over the holidays I will see what I can search out.

Check into a ionic filter maybe?

RO water is used all the time in saltwater aquariums. Have you thought of taking your water to the local water plant and having it tested?

You could have just posted the above info when asked. After all, it IS helpful information.....I have no idea why you wouldn't share it.

I suppose that would depend on the regenerative abilities of the affected areas. There are rare cases of humans having heart defects or other organs, that somehow repair themselves over the years.

Gold's is good, but unless things have changed, you better be there early.

LMAO. -roll- Just not quite sure what you mean Ryan by the last sentence....correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying that liver disease can be reversed in fish if caught early enough....right?

Below is a direct quote from Lee Newman. I'm sure that if I had the time, and really wanted to, I could find scores of qualified proffesionals that work within the aquaculture industry, including many scientists that specialize in the field of fish health, that would also state the exact same thing as the two gentleman above. Most of the research done in the area of fish health over the past 50 years can't be found on Wikipedia, so it's not very realistic to expect myself, or anyone to else "direct us to some scientific studies", and if we can't (or in my case, at this point of the discussion can't be bothered looking), then those comments are automatically considered "misleading". Futhermore, most studies that can be found online, where you don't have to pay a large fee just to read them, are based on commercial fish, as in those raised for human consumption. Those studies don't involve "years" (usually a few weeks at best), nor are they typically designed with the fishes longevity in mind. Feed trials or studies involving species such as Pangasius sanitwongsei would be non existent, as it would be for most species of catfish from that part of the world. THANK YOU. That's all I was looking for, some further research. And all I was asking for was some further proof of what you had suggested. An innocent inquiry that you blew out of proportion.

I have now idea what Lee Newman would know, not without knowing anything more than a name. That's why scientific studies are done in the first place; otherwise, we'd all be running around with the conjectures of the ancient Greek theoreticists still. The problem with people stating opinions in such a way on these forums is that it appears that they are stating facts, not opinions. I simply asked for proof to back that up. As RD speaks out so strongly against it, I don't see the harm in asking for some research to support that. Not the first time over the years you have been asked to show proof, on this forum or others. I'm not sure why this is such a sore spot for you or CursiveDuck. You made some statements, so let's see you back it up.

I didn't say you were misleading or not. I simply asked you to back up your claims with proof.

It's not up to me to prove these points. If someone wants to come on here and state something as fact, should it not be up to them to provide the proof? Otherwise, all I am stating is that possibly it is just an opinion, not fact. And otherwise, they could possibly be misleading people. But hey, if you have lots of time to be RD's little research assistant, by all means feel free to provide the proof for his comments.

Okay, I've made that assumption. Now please answer a direct question - can you direct us to some scientific studies that have looked at this correlation?

So the logical assumption is.....the answer is "no"?

No, I was actually wondering if there were any studies to be found that discuss the correlation between beef and liver disease in fish, that someone could point out? I thought that was pretty clear. :smokey:

Are there any studies to be found that discuss the correlation between beef and liver disease in fish, that someone could point out?

Oh yeah,nothing like watching your kids looking at baby fish. There's a bit of excitement there that most of us have lost as adults.

Convicts breeding just involves a male and female, and adding water...but it's always great when you first get into breeding to see the first spawn. :thumbs: And once you successfully raise the fry, you'll be ready for other species. Congrats!