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Only thing on the list I'd add would be the yellow tang or beta, and the tang will eventually outgrow the tank as well, if it grows. Beta's are slow growers, get a small one and that fast growing grouper will be able to take it down in no time. They can swallow (or at least try) anything equal to their size, even a bit larger. The leopard wrasse (aside from being horrible shippers), and the haWkfish will be on the grouper menu as well.

If its just the external symptoms, move them to a hospital tank (bare bottom, few pieces of pvc, 20g or so to keep costs of meds down). Double doses of Maracyn-2 for 4-5 days, no feedings, no water changes. Online ordering is cheaper than local. I had something very similar run through my QT tanks a couple weeks ago after bringing in half a dozen fish in from between vancouver and calgary. Only thing to survive was a dragon wrasse and that was after a formalin dip and maracyn-2 following. But if the infection is bad enough in the gills the formalin will kill them just as well. If that doesnt work, let the tank sit empty for a month or more, big water change, and try again. Im not too well versed with marine illness, so i hope somebody else would chime in with this.

Same symptoms as before? Heavy breathing? listless? Signs of external parasites? If you just lost fish, its usually a bad idea to just throw more in when you dont know what the first ones died of. Possibly a bacterial infection, if not something alot nastier.

Good, then it'll have a nice long life

Never heard of a Ciliatis before, got a link? Get an efficient enough skimmer you'll just have to water change every now and then to replace elements in the water. Gonna need something really over rated in tank size if your going to do that. Don't know how much your time is worth, but a skimmerless tank doing 5-10 gal a week isnt that bad. Give you an excuse to be in the tank and keeping it up

Heh, ok then keep up with water changes and thatll be fine for a mantis. Have fun scraping that tank with a knuckle buster in there

A mantis would be fine as long as you kept up with the water changes. You are going to have to pay extra attention to your water change water and make sure its buffered up to match the tank water you are dosing alk/calc for that clam right Tim? or is it just a shell

Yeah Jonathans last year wasnt it? Pico's looking damn good

Welcome Chad

Buy a little rubbermaid, throw a powerhead and heater in there, and let it cure before you add it. It'll release all kinds of nasties that the big tank would be better off without how much you got in the 150 now tim?

Will do Times been a bit short lately. Give me a couple weeks and ill get a thread going once i get something arranged

We had a group order about 14 months ago for 650lbs of Fiji from J&L. I was very happy with the 200lbs or so that was mine. I've been thinking about getting a group together for vanuatu, since i could use another 150-200lbs of it. If your not in a hurry blade, I might be able to arrange something better than the website prices if we have enough weight The picture is from mid January (about a year since purchase). All J&L Fiji rock

Date is set for March 10th/11th, however this can be adjusted, or i can hold some livestock for a few days should the need arise For the first timers, give J&L a call ( www.jlaquatics.com ) , let them know your in on the group order going to Edmonton, being sent to Josh Edwards. Give them your list, and make arrangements for payment. Credit card payments are easiest, since you wont be charged until the day before or day of shipment, and shipping costs can be equally and automatically charged then. Then pop over here and pick up your goodies This is for livestock (Fish & inverts) only

Good bugs Edit, Were they moving around the glass Blade? Almost look like little tunicates as well. Either way, no worries

All will be spared except for the nerds and geeks that have nowhere else to be but school on a sunday.

It depends on the individual fish, some will some wont for future reference, with the exception of copperband butterflies which are "sometimes" ok, butterflies will almost always be nippers. A friend actually trained a small pakistani butterfly. She bought him at 1", put him in a tank with live rock only. Once he was established and eating prepared foods well, slowly added zoo's, softies, lps and sps corals over the course of a few months. He's since grown to about 4", and i think with the exception of keeping her green star polyps to a buzzcut, does very well in the tank. and never listen to BA's, ours anyway :chair:

Lists been updated, still lots available

Hey Ty I've never used (or needed) a UV sterilizer. if your intention with buying one is to control parasites, then i'd humbly recommend looking at improving the conditions of the tank before putting a band aid on it. It's something that most really dont need on their tanks, and money that could better be spent on fish. I'll see if i can dig around for a writeup with some info on them.

I don't think i'll ever have that problem Nor anyone else mentioned in the initial post of this thread, especially the starter :beer:

Zoos - Brown skirt/orange mouth - $15 Brown skirt/red center - $15 Brown skirt/purple center - $15 Small rock covered with about 50-60 zoos (all brown skirts, mix of orange and green centres) - $20 SOLD Small rock covered in Red skirt/green mouth zoos (about 25 polyps, also has caulerpa embedded in it) - $20 SOLD "Edmonton Eskimo" zoos, bright green skirts/orange centres & mouths (15 polyps) - $30 Pink center Poly's, basically big zoo's about 3/4" across (15 polyps) - $40 SOLD Red Open brain - $60

This hobby will make whoores of us all But, I'll just give you a frag, thanks

so THAT'S the smell in Andy's basement

FW - Only when cycling a tank, otherwise water changes never let anything accumulate SW - Only to check calcium and alkalinity levels to make sure the calc reactor is doing its thing, maybe once a month

IME, as long as the retailer (this goes either for local LFS or mail order livestock) has a clean, healthy system, survival rates should be very high. Restbits between arrival from collectors and being reshipped to consumers is also very important There are some exceptions with certain species. Moorish idols, potters angles, certain anthias are one extreme which are almost not even worth collecting with the hundreds or even thousands that die before one survives long term (3+ years) in captivity. Theres more with bad survival records but thats what just popped in my head Research the fish before you buy so you can provide them what they need to thrive, and learn what stores to stay away from.

Goodluck :thumbs: