NWCD Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Hi Everyone, I would like your help me about my two exotic lake malawi peacock's background and history are true facts. I spoked my friend who sold me to asked them about their history and back ground now I know about. My post for sale are not MISLEAD. because I said that "tank raise cross wild back" because I dont know about their history and back ground until I found out about them. my Aulonocara Ngara Flametail adults are F-1. I bought from him who comes from USA. He breeded the offsprings Aulonocara Ngara Flametail f-1 from their Parents are wild cought F-0. so he Sold me F-1 and I bought wild cought. I put them together in the same tank I breed them. I put wild cought F-0 and F-1 in breed tank. the offsprings what it called? Another breed tank they are brothers and sisters F-1. I have babies F-2. The parents F-1 x wild cought now I have babies. The offsprings are F-2 or f-1 x WC ? what it called them? My Aulonocara Maleri Island Sunshine adults are F-2 I bought from my frined breeder in USA He breeded them from their Great parents were wild cought. The parents are F-1. The offsrpings are F-2 which they sold to me. I breeded the Aulonocara Maleri Island Sunshine F-2 x Wild cought Aulonocara Maleri Island Sunshine I have babies. What called them? Another breed tank they are brothers and sisters F-2. I have babies are F-3. thanks for your feedback and no MISLEAD. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD. Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 (edited) I put wild cought F-0 and F-1 in breed tank. the offsprings what it called? wild x F1 no filial # would be assigned Another breed tank they are brothers and sisters F-1. I have babies F-2. correct, these would be F2 The parents F-1 x wild cought now I have babies. The offsprings are F-2 or f-1 x WC ? what it called them? same as the first group, wild x F1 no filial # would be assigned My Aulonocara Maleri Island Sunshine adults are F-2 I bought from my frined breeder in USA He breeded them from their Great parents were wild cought. The parents are F-1. The offsrpings are F-2 which they sold to me. I breeded the Aulonocara Maleri Island Sunshine F-2 x Wild cought Aulonocara Maleri Island Sunshine I have babies. What called them? wild x F2 no filial # would be assigned Another breed tank they are brothers and sisters F-2. I have babies are F-3. ..................................... Basically in the fish breeding trade, once you cross a wild caught with a certain filial, such as F1, they no longer fit into the typical classification such as F1, F2, etc. Certainly nothing wrong with calling the offspring WC x F1. Edited March 8, 2005 by RD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
African_Fever Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I'd agree with Neil. NWCD actually sent me a PM and I told him basically everything Neil just said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCD Posted March 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks for your assit information Neil, Hey Kyle you can add post on it. Everyone can learn more about this. When the parents Wild cought x F-1. The offsprings called wild x F1 no filial # would be assigned. What is about the offsprings grow adults they would be (Dad)Wild x F-1 x (mom) Wild x F-1 = What called the offsprings? thanks again Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD. Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 No problem Duncan. (Dad)Wild x F-1 x (mom) Wild x F-1 = What called the offsprings? The offspring would be called tank raised fish, but you could also mention that the parents were Wild x F1. That may not make sense to you, but that's the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Yes, they would be called tank-raised, but it would be very helpful to mention to buyers that the parents were Wild X F1. That way, they would know how great of a genetic diversity the offspring have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCD Posted March 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 thanks for your feed back Neil Again, Dunl. now I know about this. Next time I will put AD for sale more explain and history about them. I am sorry about mix up in AD when my peacocks for sale. All guy have a great day takecare Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCD Posted March 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I have questions for you, What is about( Dad)Wild x F-1 x (mom) Wild x F-1 the offsprings are tank raise. and Wild cought parents the offsprings F-1. The parents F-2 the offsprings F-3 The offspring are tank raise and F-3 are the same? thanks again Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD. Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 (edited) Duncan - The manner in which filial terms are used in the fish hobby, differ greatly from how they are used by the scientific community. I don't agree with all of it, but it seems very ingrained at this point so most people refer to fish with these definitions in mind. Offspring of wild = F1 Offspring of F1 = F2 etc-etc After F2 most people don't care, and they start to fall into the 'tank raised' definition. Your breeder males & females may be very good quality, and as Dunl suggested it would be well worth mentioning the fact that they are wild x F1, but they still would not be assigned a filial number such as F1 or F2. Edited March 8, 2005 by RD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishManTy Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Rd, question for you. Ya know that saying, how does it go. Lets take in it in a home theatre direction. "Your system will be as good as the worst component" Couldn't one call the offspring of a wildxF1, an F2? (Being that the F1 parent is the "worst") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
African_Fever Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I think you essentially could call a wild x F1 = F2, but I feel that you'd be selling yourself short, as most F2's people would normally believe to be a brother/sister pairing, whereas the wild x F1 would most likely be unrelated bloodlines. I've got that situation developing with my Ps. polit, and I'll be referring to the offspring as from a wild x F1 pairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishManTy Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Alrighty, just curious. Thanks kyle You'd be selling yourself short yes, but I think thats the easiest way to describe it, and maybe in brackets or on a side note, mention that one of the parents were wild. Hmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I'd definately be more interested in buying a F1 x Wild offspring than F2....for Kyle's exact reasonings. Actually, I would probably be more interested in buying F-whatever x Wild offspring..... Many times it simply means better genetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD. Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Couldn't one call the offspring of a wildxF1, an F2? (Being that the F1 parent is the "worst") I suppose you could, but it certainly wouldn't be in your best interests, for reasons already posted by dunl & Kyle. Wild x any filial # is generally better than F2 stock, especially if the the F1 parents are related, which in most cases they are. (if you're looking for genetic diversity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD. Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Duncan - this article explains it all rather well. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/cich...eding_terms.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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