scrubby Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 how long do you have to wait when you add tap water conditioner to tap water well i premix it first then add it i usaully wait 24 hours cause im not sure :well: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallisneria Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 I add the water back using a python and just add Prime directly into the tank. No premixing and never had a problem. What brand of water conditioner are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubby Posted December 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 im using aqua +...../what is a python Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicide Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Python is a gravel vacuum that attaches to a sink faucet. Lets you suck water from the tank into the drain and then go from the faucet right back to the tank. The chlorine remover uses a chemical reaction to get rid of it so it happens very quickly. Just make sure there is enough filtration in your tank that the water will be mixed well and you can add the chemical in after you are done. The fish don't seem to show any ill effects from chlorinated water for a few hours if they are put in untreated water so putting in water and treating it 5 minutes later should pose little risk. This makes it much easier than trying to add a few drops of neutralizer to every bucket you haul back and forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK421 Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 sorry to jack the thread but on the same topic.. how long does water have to sit b4 the chlorine evaporates on its own? I dont think chloramine does this tho.. but i could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicide Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Google search says 5 days or so will get rid of chlorine. You can speed up the process several ways. Sunlight breaks down chlorine. Agitating the water causes it to dissipate into the air. If you want to waste the energy you can boil the water. Bring it to a hard boil for a few minutes and it should remove all of the chlorine. I have to ask why you wouldn't just use the chemicals though? $15 worth can treat like 500 gallons of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 If you aerate the water it only takes 4 hours (I hear, I generally wait 24 and I have never tested the 4 hour claim). With all the water changes for discus I would go through a fortune in prime, so I use a 65 gallon holding tank where I aerate the water and heat it to match my tanks. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK421 Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 DD- how are you aerating the tank? M- cause this is free! i can save up all those 15 bucks for hooker and beer! jk.. i try to keep water on hand at all times for emergencies... ive got 5 5 gallon water bottles (the kind for your water kooler) and i usually keep 2 or 3 full at all times.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallisneria Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Edmonton uses chloramines which don't evaporate like chlorine. So if you live in edmonton and use tap water you need to use a water conditioner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arixonbarnes Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) I believe, from what I have heard and read, that cloramines will break down in about 3 days (I think aeration is required as well) but that doesn't get rid of the ammonia. I fill my 55 gallon barrel (best $10 I spent) and add Prime while it is filling, then I pump it into the tanks. I do this three times every water change ) I do 25% twice a week) and it doesn't hurt the fish so the Prime must work very quickly. Obviously my memory is not working well. Everything I've read since I added the above comments refutes these comments. My apologies. Edited December 11, 2005 by arixonbarnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD. Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 A tech at the local water treatment plant here in Red Deer informed me that after 4 weeks, the test sample of chloramine treated water was still near 100% strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK421 Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 interesting about the chloramine.. here is some other stuff i have found out.. Can chloramines be removed from water? Chloramines remain active in the water system for a considerably long period of time. Like other molecules, chloramines contribute to the total amount of dissolved solids in the water. Like chlorine, chloramines are selectively reactive and may have damaging affects when they remain in the water for too long. When chloramines are present, there are usually trace amounts of ammonia and hypochlorite in the water as well. Chloramines are hardly ionic. As a result and because of the low molecular weight, chloramines, mainly monochloramine, are difficult to remove from water by reverse osmosis (RO) or water softening. Boiling and distillation cannot be used either. Substances for chlorine removal cannot be used for the removal of chloramines. Sunlight and aeration may aid chloramine removal. Chloramines can be removed by means of a granular active carbon filter. This filter brings down chloramine concentrations from 1-2 ppm to less than 0,1 ppm. One must make sure that the active carbon comes in contact with chloramines for a significant amount of time. An active carbon filter is a selective, which means it also removes other compounds, such as chlorine (reduction to chloride), hydrogen sulphide, organic compounds, THM, pesticides and radon. When these compounds are present in water, this will influence the capacity of the filter. The amount of chloramines in the water can be determined by measuring the 'total chlorine' residu. This means measuring the 'total amount of chlorine' or the 'amount of chlorine compounds'. Do chloramines form nitrates? High amounts of ammonia serve as nutrients for nitrifying bacteria in the water, which can cause nitrate levels in the water to rise. Nitrate is converted to nitrite in the stomach. Nitrites can react to N-nitrosamines with proteins in fish. These compounds may be carcinogenic. Young children are more susceptive to nitrites. When children are below 0,5 years old they cannot drink nitrate-rich water, because nitrites cause the oxygen level in the blood to fall (Blue Baby Syndrome). It is advised to feed baby’s with water that has a nitrate content of below 25 μg/L. more can be read at http://www.lenntech.com/water-disinfection...chloramines.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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