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lol, it's taking me forever to get done so I didn't want to post anything till it was done and then show some pics from variuos stages.

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They can be brown to black in color when mature but start out light brown at birth. From pics of henlie I've seen from birth to mature these are going to be very impressive rays when mature.

Great looking pups. They will be stunners when they mature.

Ya I'm jealous.lol Congrats Tim.

Just wondering if anyone knows who handles aquadyne or ultima bead filters in preferably edmonton and if not Calgary. Just finishing up my 2000+ gallon plywood tank and need to start the filtration. Any other filter ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks got the pm. Just in case you were curious here is a link to an adult one I found. http://www.xstingray.com/core/index.php?op...ys&Itemid=1

I just had 2 different female motoros give birth this week to a total of 9 motoro x pearl stingray pups. All pups were fathered by my male pearl ray. I'm out of pic space and haven't signed up for photobucket yet so sorry for the link to the pics. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=266836 http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=267244

The only con with mine is if your using the round fluval filter pads they clog to easy and the flow is greatly reduced

Thanks for all the help guys. I picked one up at big als since I didn't see any at the home depot or wall mart I went to. I need to use the pyton for draining and bottom cleaning in my basement tanks for suction since my sink is higher than my pond bottom.

Thanks will give it a look.

My pythons valve cracked so I need a replacement. Anyone know where to pick one up in Edmonton? And if possible do they make a Brass one?

As long as you don't need heaters a small 500 or larger watt generator would work. Most filters are 50w and under and may require 150w of power at the most to start.

Hopefully not much longer. If the pups turn out half as nice as the last ones you will be one lucky sob.

3 -xingu sp. 2 -tiger 2 -marble 1 -pearl/marble hybrid 1 -castexi 2 -leos 1 -flower 5 -motoro 1 -pearl 1 -henlie and 8 motoro pups for sale

I would for sure agree that the majority of us probably do overfeed and it is causing problems in our stock and premature deaths. I for one know I do but when keeping multiple rays in a tank there can be dominance issues and if not well fed the dominant ray can stress the less dominant rays into not eating at all to the point it dies. So I take the lesser of the two evils and overfeed. I try to minimize the dominant ray from taking to much food by cutting it up and spreading it over the tank and in some instances I've hand fed. As my rays have gotten older they actually tend to manage thier own weight fairly well and maintain a healthy weight. For those of you with single rays a healthy weight should be easier to maintain.

Thought this was a good read that some people may enjoy. Lots of good info in this article about stingrays diets and eating habits. http://72.14.213.132/translate_c?hl=en&amp...SfE5DC70-4R9i7A

I've also heard good things about BN plecos. The silver should be a safe bet. Is your tank in direct sunlight for most of the day? If it isn't your nitrates may be getting to high for rays.

lol I'm sure your doing everything fine. RD is a very well informed guy and it' great to read his posts. As far as waterchanges go you can get a python for emptying and cleaning the bottom and refilling if your using prime and tap water. And if you use aged water you can use a python for draining and cleaning the bottom and a transfer pump for refilling. The hardest thing with ray keeping is keeping up with the waterchanges. Good Luck.

lol this was the only other info I could find last night while googling around. You would think with something that could prove very harmful (or not) there would have been more references to it. Thanks for posting the information.

Sorry didn't mean to miss quote ya There is better sources to feed your rays for sure but availability and cost are a problem for some. I apprciate the link to the thiaminase thread. I knew there was some in raw shrimp but would love to know the levels. If you ever come across this it would make a good post. I agree our glasscages are not optimal but we try. :thumbs:

No argument there, my point was simply that you don't have to supplement with fresh/frozen in order to achieve good solid growth, especially if the fish is already taking pellets, which these apparently are. I'm also not so naive as to think that feeding nothing but pellets is the definitive answer to the best way to keep every fish thriving in captivity, but I do believe that whenever possible pellets should be an integral part of every fishes diet. (whatever brand one chooses) I would also caution against feeding any fish a diet that mostly consists of shrimp. By feeding large amounts of shrimp you restrict the overall amino acid (protein) content of your fishes diet, along with various essential vitamins & minerals. Shrimp/market prawns are also known to contain thiaminase and when ingested in large quantities can destroy the natural thiamin (vitamin B1) which in turn can cause vitamin deficiency. You can read more about that in the following link. http://albertaaquatica.com/index.php?showtopic=23186 Very good read thanks for the information. I'm still trying to find some information on the percentage of thiaminase found in different meaty foods we feed. If you have a link to this it would be very helpful. I'm not trying to argue anything you said just trying to let people know there are alternative diets to pellets. The reason for this is I've had some rays that have had problems digesting pellets properly. Some were constipated and some had the same problem as letsgofishing. I know you've stated that in letsgofishings case it was fed too much. In a single ray tank this is easy to maintian, in a multiple ray tank it's not so easy. Other reasons may be the type of ray you are keeping. Some rays would sooner starve than take a pellet or a shrimp. If thiaminase is a worry for some then it's best to feed cooked shrimp. Now some people are gonna say cooking your foods will cause you to lose to many nutrients. I've read reports on the cooking of shrimp and what is cooked out is not enough to concern yourself in the longrun. I've also heard the oppisite but have not seen any facts (I'm sure there out there so if anyone as a link great). In all the more things you can get your ray to eat the better it will be.

You can also achieve this growth rate without any pellets in your rays diet. I have rays that eat exclusively pellets and some are almost exclusively shrimp and some that are both. As far as growth rates they are all fairy consistant. The major factor with rays is the ray itself. Not all motoros are going to get to the same size no matter what you feed. I have 4 female motoros all the same age my smallest is 11" my biggest is over 20". My biggest and smallest prefer shrimp and one of the ones in the middle likes pellets the other likes anything They're both aound 14-16". I don't notice a color difference between my rays that eat pellets. I do notice a color difference in my motoros as they get bigger they tend to fade somewhat. I do believe pellets are a great addition to a rays diet and should be included, but do not use pellets on young rays (4 months and younger) or sick and newly aquired wildcaught rays.

Nls large fish formula is the nls product most ray keepers feed. There is a member on here that can help you out with amount and knows nls inside out. You can also use hikari carnivore and massivore which I'm more familar with. The best thing to do is mix it up with pellets, shrimp, worms (which are pricey when rays get big), clams ,mussels , squid (seafood medly bags). The bigger the variety the better. I mostly feed shrimp and pellets with established rays and for sick and new rays live blackworms and canadian nightcrawlers are the main source

Like kyle is saying it seems like an air issue. Check on your quick connector where your hoses attach and see if it's broken (look for a small crack). This had happened to mine and is fairly common.