french fries Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 So a few days ago I noticed that one of my fish have ich on it. I got some edvice that I should add aquarium salt to the tank and raise the temp. So I did that and IT DID NOT WORK!!!! More fish have it know and I'am in some real trouble now. IS there any treatment for ich,something that can get rid of it fast. I was thinking of doing a water change,should I? But like I was saying is there any treatment for it.!?!?!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallisneria Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 A little more info would be helpful. How much salt did you add? What temp did you raise it to? How long has it been since you started the salt/temp treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french fries Posted July 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 A little more info would be helpful.How much salt did you add? What temp did you raise it to? How long has it been since you started the salt/temp treatment? 5tbs for every 5gallons and it is a 40g. Raised temp up to 80. Started it wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qattarra Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Salt and heat IMO is best, I think I'd go to 82-83 degrees. The product Ridich is good too as is jungle's Parasite guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobies et al Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 There is lots of good information about ich at this site: http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml Also a little while ago there was another thread regarding ich in a ray tank. Lots of good suggestions there too. I hope things improve soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french fries Posted July 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 JUST AN UPDATE: Thanks for the comments. Things are not good. I just lost a fish tonight and it looks like I might loose two more. I have tried everything and it just keeps getting worse. I have an empty 20g I looks like three or four fish have it really bad should I set up this 20g for these guys. What to do what to do. Any more Ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobies et al Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Just a suggestion: The fish that don't look like they are going to make it - remove from tank and euthanize, unless are of very special value to you. If they die in the tank, they will release thousands of tomonts into the water. Are you 100% sure it is ich? and not velvet? something else? The 20 gallon tank is not cycled, you would then be dealing with the problems of cycling as well as disease tx. Your other tank still has to have the full course of therapy anyhow. Suggestion for the future, keep a hospital tank running cycled, in case of need. Persevere with treatment. The spotted stage is only one of the life cycles of ich. There will be losses. Ideally ich should be treated before it becomes visible to avoid losses. Good luck with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qattarra Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Could be ich is secondary illness. What does it look like? I would go with the Jungle parasite guard . Add a lot of air via air stones. A 100% water change before trying the new course of treatment as well. Do make sure the new water is at least the same temp as the old water if anything a touch warmer, never colder. I wish I was there to see. We've all gone through this kind of thing and I feel really badly for you. It really could be too late for these guys I just hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french fries Posted July 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 THanks for the comments. I don't think I will use the 20g because like you said there might be even more problems. Okay so this is what's going on right now: I woke up this morning and found my two blackfin sharks dead.................not good I really like those guys. :cry: :cry: So far I have lost three fish. The first fish I lost was a jellybean parrot fish. I might try that jungle parasite gaurd. Gobies said I should treat before it is visable. Well The remaining fish have no visable spots of them so I might be able to start treating and save them. The fish that have already died really did not mean any special value but The remaining ones do so I have to try and save them. Lets hope something works!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baos Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 The raised temperature simply speeds up the life cycle of ich, thought I'd mention that. Then things like salt will kill the tomites off. Raising the temperature can sometimes seem to be effective because your fish's immune system gets a boost from the new found heat. either medications or more salt every 12 hours will eventually kill them off, I found this site helpfull http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/IchPrevention.html So basically your problem gets worse before it gets better. And if your fish can tolerate it, add more salt. The ich is only vulnerable after it falls off your fish, sits at the bottom of the tank, reproduces to 300 more cells, and before it can find another fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Although, I have never managed come across the Jungle parasite guard, I have tried using several other chemicals with varied success. I have never used a lot of salt due to some of my more sensitive fish. I have the most success using a chemical called coppersafe to treat ich, and usually add 1/2 dose of livebearer to help the fish with the scratching. Coppersafe is the only thing ever seems to work on neon tetras (The local pet shops around here seem to have a variety of ich which is resistant to malachite green). Caution: If you have any kind of invertibrates (snails, shrimp, frogs, etc) many chemicals used to treat ich and other diseases/illnesses will kill them. If you use chemicals remove the active carbon from the filter. When you get new fish, try to quarantine them for at least 2 weeks before adding to the main aquarium. Sometimes ich can come in with water changes at certain times of the year. I haven't had a problem with this since I put 1 penny in the gravel for every 10 gallons of water (not sure if it really works, but it seems to). I hope your fish get better soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french fries Posted July 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Thanks for all the comments. Well................just had a convict die today. Just wondering one of my small parrot fish is covered from head to fin in ICH. Do you think he has a chance? Then my other convict does not look so good too. The remaining fish have NO visible signs of it so I think they will be okay. Man with all the fish I lost it seems like half the population of the tank was never there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Chicklets Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 What type are the remaining ones? It may well be aggression that started the outbreak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silven Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) What type are the remaining ones? It may well be aggression that started the outbreak. It sounds to me more like over stocking and possibly under filtering. How many fish did/do you have in there? What type of filtration are you using. Everytime I have gotten ich, all I did was a 50% water change, a temp increase to 84, and added salt as per prescribed methods already given. I'm more inclined to think that maybe it's not ich that your fish have, but rather a type of velvet that seems to be becoming more common lately with some of the imports. What was the last fish you added, and how did you do it? Edited July 21, 2008 by Silven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french fries Posted July 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 What type are the remaining ones? It may well be aggression that started the outbreak. It sounds to me more like over stocking and possibly under filtering. How many fish did/do you have in there? What type of filtration are you using. Everytime I have gotten ich, all I did was a 50% water change, a temp increase to 84, and added salt as per prescribed methods already given. I'm more inclined to think that maybe it's not ich that your fish have, but rather a type of velvet that seems to be becoming more common lately with some of the imports. What was the last fish you added, and how did you do it? It's been a few days and there have been no deaths and the parrot fish that was covered from head to fin is now okay he looks okay and everyone is swimming around. I'am still adding salt. Hmmmmmmmmmm........The last fish I added was two bubble gum parrot fish. Do you think they could have been the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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