MMAX Posted September 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 From what I've been reading I don't need 45mil EPDM for a bog. It doesn't have to be 100% water tight so a sheet of heavy duty polyethylele would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAX Posted September 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Pardon my spelling...polyethylene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobies et al Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 It should look really neat with the stump coming up in the bog. Nice way to incorporate the stump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAX Posted September 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 I've been thinking about hollowing it out to make a planter for a fern or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
African_Fever Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 One thing to think about with the bog, is that if you don't go with EPDM, or the same liner as the rest, the bog might end up leaking more than you planned, and affecting the rest of your yard in ways that you didn't plan. There is also the long-term viability to be aware of as well. Poly might be ok for a couple years, but will begin breaking down and might only last 3-4 years. Do you want to be re-building something then if you could have done it initially for a little more money buy less work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAX Posted September 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 One thing to think about with the bog, is that if you don't go with EPDM, or the same liner as the rest, the bog might end up leaking more than you planned, and affecting the rest of your yard in ways that you didn't plan. There is also the long-term viability to be aware of as well. Poly might be ok for a couple years, but will begin breaking down and might only last 3-4 years. Do you want to be re-building something then if you could have done it initially for a little more money buy less work? Is it worth spending the extra cash buying 45mil EPDM when every book I've read says to punch holes in it for drainage? Seems like a waste of money. Isn't there a 20 or 30mil that would work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures Corner Store Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 One thing to think about with the bog, is that if you don't go with EPDM, or the same liner as the rest, the bog might end up leaking more than you planned, and affecting the rest of your yard in ways that you didn't plan. There is also the long-term viability to be aware of as well. Poly might be ok for a couple years, but will begin breaking down and might only last 3-4 years. Do you want to be re-building something then if you could have done it initially for a little more money buy less work? Is it worth spending the extra cash buying 45mil EPDM when every book I've read says to punch holes in it for drainage? Seems like a waste of money. Isn't there a 20 or 30mil that would work? Hey MMAX, I am not quite sure what kind of a wetland you are building that you would need to put holes in your liner. You should not need to in a properly constructed wetland/bog on the edge of a pond. Just one hole small hole in a liner can cause major property damage over an extended period of time and not to mention the cost of the water being wasted. You will not be saving any money only spending more and more to fill the pond and bog. I have seen this happen many times over the years. The wetlands/bogs that I have built for customers and projects I have built with other contractors over the years we have never put any holes in the liners at all for wetlands/bogs. Are you using the wetland/bog as the filter? If this is the case, where are you putting the pump? I totally agree with African Fever to go with proper 45mil EPDM. It will last for decades. Possibly longer if properly installed. I would also use one piece for the pond and wetland/bog rather than two different ones. Seaming two different ones can be challenging. If you would like more information on how we install wetland filters let me know. I know that you are doing a ton of research on this and that is GREAT. Your project looks fantastic and I would like to you succeed with your vision. :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAX Posted September 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I'm not using the wetland as a filter so I'll go with a separate piece of liner for it. I didn't really think of the property damage aspect of it, just assumed that if the books said to punch holes in the liner then that's what you had to do. What I will need help with is determining the correct liner size for my stream. I don't really know where to start measuring so I get the right size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAX Posted September 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Some more pics... I don't think I'm going to go down to 4 feet. I've hit straight sand and the depth here is about 38". I think that's deep enough. I'll carry that 38" depth around the left side and keep a shallower area on the right to create a beach area for birds and other wildlife to come down to. That's one big a$$ pond, bigger than I expected. You kinda get the size looking down on it. If anyone in the Red Deer area needs any good black dirt or sand let me know. Come with a truck and I'll help you shovel it in. It's the right price too...free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvision Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 FYI, anything in town deeper than 24" is deemed a pool and needs a 6' locking fence around the yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAX Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Aside from taking care of a few roots sticking out here and there, I think I'm finally ready for underlay and liner. Re-designed the far end of the pond with a few planting shelves at different levels and I'll stack some flat rocks on the tip against the bog for a shallow area for birds. Digging out the bog will be a piece of cake. I'm only going down 2 feet so a good hour more of work and the digging will be complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaggle Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Wow looking good. You have goten lots of work done iin a little amount of time and all by hand to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
African_Fever Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Looks great so far, especially for being all hand dug. Not too sure if you're planning on putting fish in or not, but a 'small bench for birds and wildlife' also means a 'small bench from which fish will disappear'. Just out of curiousity, but why are you still going with a separate liner for the bog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAX Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 It's going to have 2, maybe 3 trout in it so they'll be able to take care of themselves. It was just a small beach for birds to come for a drink or a bath or a frog to jump in without having to climb the rock ledge. I'm not using the bog for a filter or an overflow, it's purely cosmetic. Something I can plant cattails and native wetland grasses in to give the area a more natural look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natures Corner Store Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) Looking GREAT!! :beer: When we do bog areas, for plants and wildlife as you are doing, (not ones for bog filters and such) we generally keep them pretty shallow. We go down 2 feet total in the deep areas for the ponds in the city(CITY BYLAW) and the wetland area we generally dig less than a foot. When we put the gravel in the bog/wetland area it is only about 4 to 6 inches gravel (don't want anaerobic gravel, it STINKS!) and about 4 to 6 inches of water. We add a few stones that the birds can sit on and bath that are just below the waterline a couple of inches. The birds really like the shallower water areas so they can stand in it to bath. Short legs on them you know. Way to cool MMAX!! :thumbs: and thanks for posting the pics! Edited September 10, 2009 by Natures Corner Store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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