Mighty Prawn Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 You're all right, I'm an idiot. Now I'll bow out and leave you all to mock me. -Hideo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogled Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) Yup, is a stunning example of being able to draw a distinction between disgust at poor treatment and using humor to approach the absurdity that the police will interject in a “fish betting ring” as if it was a high priority. …or it may just be a good way to belittle three moderators in one go? HAHAHA. You slay me, Froggie. Are you sure it's using humor to approach this topic or is there the fear of not being able to say what you want to say out loud? You employ two possible outcomes from my statement. Try harder, but don't leave your camera alone too long. It's getting lonely. Edited April 5, 2006 by Moogled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Prawn Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Marco it's alright, I deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, afterall, I did disagree with no less than 3 moderators and defended myself against condescending comments. -Hideo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lax_champ Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 We just know that unless u tell the cops u have donuts there with u they rnt gonna come or even care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toirtis Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Well, I recently sold no less than 40 shortfin bettas to two Asian gentlemen that I knew were going to be fighting them. Now neither even suggested that they would be gambling on the fights (which would be illegal, although fighting bettas is perfectly legal), but did more or less admit that the fish were for fighting. Now I disagree with fighting fish (or any other animal), and would never engage in it myself, but since these chaps did not specifically ask for fish for fighting (it was implied, but not verbally admitted), I could not ethically refuse them a sale based on a belief or feeling. What is more, I find this a fairly tricky subject, since some of it borders dangerously on cultural centrism, and really has nothing to do with facilitating crime (any more so than selling a pack of cards or a pair of dice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAlberta Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 For those who are not aware there is at least one gambling group (here in Calgary) which uses Bettas in their "events" Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 You know what's really funny? "Oh no, Big Al's is selling ink-injected fish!" and "Hahahaha, why don't you become a police officer and rescue all those poooor fish being gambled with!" Think about it. You guys are smart; it'll come to you soon. Took a while, but yeah it did come to me. I can't find the post, but I also can't remember any moderators suggesting that we send the RCMP to check it out. I might be wrong, though, so if you could find that post about the ink-injected fish and post a quote from a mod stating that it was a good idea to send the RCMP, I'll gladly eat my words. Which I might. However, I don't really see the "funny" part? I did disagree with no less than 3 moderators and defended myself against condescending comments. The bottom line I was trying to get across is that I can't see RCMP getting involved in someone buying $200 worth of male bettas and stating they were going to use them for gambling. If you think you can successfully convince me otherwise, I'd have to see proof of RCMP involvement. Which again, I might. Maybe. Probably not. Probably not likely at all. Most likely not. In fact, hardly likely at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krystle Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I'm coming late to this thread I guess, but honestly I have to agree with Hideo here. I mean, in this hypothetical situation the thread starter clearly said that the dude tells you he wants to buy the fish for some illegal betta fighting, and since the practice disgusts me, I would take the opportunity to bust his @$$ by selling him the fish and then calling the police and the humane society. I understand that some of you feel that the police may not care, but if something is illegal, then they *have* to act on it, right? Apathy disgusts me almost as much as animal abuse... You know what's really funny?"Oh no, Big Al's is selling ink-injected fish!" and "Hahahaha, why don't you become a police officer and rescue all those poooor fish being gambled with!" Think about it. You guys are smart; it'll come to you soon. WORD. It's ok to grumble about it on a forum but to actually try to set some wheels in motion would apparently invite only ridicule? I love the forums, and I'll grumble about mistreatment of fish in them as much as the next person, but things will never change for them unless we stick up for them in real life too, not just among fellow "fish-nerds" :P …or it may just be a good way to belittle three moderators in one go? mmhm :eh: I didn't see that as a belittling post, however all your posts mocking Mighty Prawn for not agreeing with you could be construed as so, Froggie Anyways, just my opinion, and not meant to rub anyone the wrong way or cheese anyone off. I think the thought of fish being mistreated is a subject that tends to get us all a little fired up lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAlberta Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 You need to put everything in context. No, the mounties would probably not investigate someone buying "fish stuff". They would likely investigate if it was blatantly obvious there was gambling involved. There are animal welfare "officers" which may be interested in animal abuse There are (illegal) gambling events out there. (More than people think). As for animal abuse many (if not most) people turn a blind eye to it Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I think taking everything into context here is the key. IMO, no one on this forum to my knowledge would ever condone using bettas for fighting, not would they agree that anyone should be selling bettas for that purpose. In the same line of thinking, just because people do not believe that the RCMP would get involved is not being apathetic, it is being realistic. The fact that I do not believe that the RCMP wouldn't get involved should do nothing to stop Hideo from contacting them if he believes that they WILL get involved. However, if he believes they WILL get involved, and HE doesn't do anything....that's apathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nandopsis Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Well put Darcy. Now if i missed something where someone is being insulted or otherwise...Please let me know and show me the post. I'll deal with it. I'am not saying it never happened, but i don't have the time to look though every post. So i probably missed it. Now lets all just get along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggie Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Now lets all just get along. Yup, bring out the puppies and kitties and group hugs! -ham- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midgetwaiter Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 What is more, I find this a fairly tricky subject, since some of it borders dangerously on cultural centrism, and really has nothing to do with facilitating crime (any more so than selling a pack of cards or a pair of dice). Tortis brings up an important point here, there are cultures that do not have the same views on fish fights that most of you may have. Given the immigration rates in Canada and our supposedly "Multicultural" society a little understanding should be in order. I'm not saying you have to support or condone it, just give the fact that there are some serious cultural differences some consideration. This point has been made before in some of the dyed fish discussions. The gambling / facilitating crime bit is interesting. I have no doubt that the only reason you would see police involvement in this kind of situation is because of the gambling. Hideo said as much if you read his post carefully. I currently make my living in the gaming industry so I've got some perspective on this that I'd like to share. Pretty much nowhere outside of North America is there such a hypocritical knee jerk reaction to unsanctioned gambling or for that matter gambling in general. I deal with gaming organizations in Europe and Asia every day, there is a huge difference in the way gambling is viewed here. I know there's several casinos in town but there is still a certain stigma attached to gambling as recreation. Looking at the original post I honestly can't tell if the poster is more offended about the fish fighting or that people are gambling on it. Again a situation that requires a little consideration of cultural differences. I neither condone or support this practice but I think that the reaction of people here to it is unnessecarily shrill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murminator Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Well not to stir the pot. What is the difference if i'm feeding goldfish to small piranha(or other fish) and it bites the tail off it a leaves it to suffer, stuggle and be slowly picked at? or a live mouse or gerbal to a snake? or a crab to a mantis? Still I realize one is for pleasure and one is for food but is this more ethical than betta fighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallisneria Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Well not to stir the pot. What is the difference if i'm feeding goldfish to small piranha(or other fish) and it bites the tail off it a leaves it to suffer, stuggle and be slowly picked at? or a live mouse or gerbal to a snake? or a crab to a mantis? Still I realize one is for pleasure and one is for food but is this more ethical than betta fighting Or how is betta fighting different then people coming in and buying a ton of fish that get too big for their tank, having been told all the correct info, and having them die becuase of the conditions? In both cases fish are harmed knowingly. I"m not pro betta fighting, and I wouldnt' feel comfortable selling someone fish if i knew they were going to fight them but i'm realistic in that the police would not care. I believe the most they would do was take a statement about the gambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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